Sunday, February 15, 2009

How does the Kinsey scale apply in India?

A rumble came over the crowd as we entered the outdoor auditorium, packed with students since it was a school dance competition dedicated to the daughter of a CRHP nurse who had passed away in an auto accident a couple years back. We made our way to the front to our usual designated seats with the rest of the CRHP staff as the crowd got more excited after noticing the 6’4” white doctor Wout, from Holland. Among dance contestants in all costumes, including many boys who dressed in saris and danced as girls, the winner was a boy dressed as the PM Manmohan Singh, dancing with a cane and making fantastic facial expressions. During the following winners dance, a roar erupted as Wout, David (American student), and I were pulled up on stage to dance with the boy, stunned as we attempted to move our bodies in front of over two thousand people.

Common to most events, all boys were seated to the left and girls to the right, with a small wooden fence separating them. No fence was needed, though, as the divide between male and female was bigger than just the auditorium. By the fifth dance, all the boys were on the feet, crowding the front and dancing in place and with each other. All were screaming, singing, jumping on each others shoulders, and yelling to get our attention. The girls, however, were all seated in rows, some with their mothers, calmly watching the show and making little reaction, only at times mouthing the words to a song they knew. Sometimes they would peer to the boy’s side and vice-versa, almost curious what it was like on the other side.

Interaction between male and female is minimal and only rarely do I see boys and girls talking or playing with each other, outside of being married or related. Sexuality is rarely discussed and fear exists not only between sexes but even in what happens to your own body, a trend the adolescent girls program at CRHP is changing. Nonetheless, having a boy or girlfriend before marriage does occur, yet it is kept very secretive and both parents and friends rarely know. A friend of mine had a girlfriend for two years when he was twenty one that neither his nor her parents knew about. Despite knowing that she would soon be married off, he loved her even though they rarely saw each other. He told me that often they would look at the other’s school picture while talking on the phone or eating dinner at their homes. They had kissed but sexual relations ended at that, a theme common even in their private intimacy since sexuality is so taboo. Public display of affection rarely is shown and not one couple, married or unmarried, have I seen kiss at all since arriving in Jamkhed, except for my three day trip to Mumbai (where eight hours from Jamkhed can take you into a different world).

The difference in sexuality and intergender relations is fascinating, as most boys are not married until age 22-26. These boys go through the peak years of puberty and adolescence in a state of confusion and sexual fear, bottling up that energy and seeming at times to translate it into their relationships with male friends. Often male friendships are very physical, very touchy, grabbing and loving, past the holding hands and hugging that is also seen in other countries. I find my own level of comfort challenged as friends rub my arm or hand, whisper in my ear very close, or rest their head on my chest while I sit, massaging my neck. Stories are also often told of male friends entering physical relationships with each other in the sheer curiosity of what sexuality is. Nevertheless, when relations between partners and what happens to your own body is not discussed, sexuality gets pushed to the foreground and stigmatized.

As you watch these boys at the competition dance and sing with each other, it is only natural to wonder how much is attributable to a different culture and how much a drastic difference in the relationship between boys confused about sexuality. It is as if the boys are strained to release the sexual tension built up during the most sexual years of their lives, taking it out in odd ways in their relationships with men and perhaps equally affecting their future relationship with their wife, confused about the intimacy that often accompanies marriage.

There does seem to be a shift occurring in this generation, as exposure to western influence increases and Bollywood movies made easily accessible. In addition, attention is being paid to sexual education by NGOs and schools as the issue has additionally become about personal sanitation and health. One NGO I recently visited has worked with local schools to create sexual education classes not only for boys and girls, but another technique which received a very positive response - for students and their parents.

17 comments:

Garrrr said...

interesting....

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
I just finished reading your artivle about the kinsey scale. It was pretty interesting. It really grabbed my attention. I learned many new things about the kinsey scale. It really influenced me to treat everyone the way I want to be treated. How does it feel to be around many homosexuals? I would one day love to visit India. Do you feel regular in those type of areas? What kind of hugging and greeting people is there in India?
From, Isaiah

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
I just read "How does the Kinsey scale apply in India?" Well my name is Malcolm and I'm a 6th grader. I find that when Indians hug, that is their greetings. Even boys hug but I don't think they're homosexual for doing that. I find that interesting. Do you hug them?

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
I read your article "How does the Kinsey scale apply to India?" Do you mean these boys are homosexual? Are the hugs friendly or like lovey-dovey hugs?
David

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
I am Gilberto and my teacher is Ms. Durston. We have been reading your articles for a long time. They are interesting and show different places. Did you ever imagine you would be writing these articles? How was it being in Holland?

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
Hi, it's me again, Derion from New Orleans, Louisiana. In class, we read your article titled "How does the Kinsey scale apply to India?" I learned a whole lot about India and the Kinsey scale.
I have two questions. When the male friendships are very physical, very touchy, grabbing and loving past holding hands and hugging in other countries. Do you mean the male friendships are beyond the hugging and holding hands?
My other question is are these boys homosexuals? My classmates say that they are just touching and that it's better than in Italy (kissing cheeks). Well, I hope to hear form you soon.
Sincerely,
Derion

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff, I'm a friend of Derion

I read your story about sexuality and I wanted to ask you about it. Our class was talking about homosexuals. I think that gay people are the same as us. The only different thing is that they like a different gender. I know family and friends who are gay and I accept them. I wanted to ask you are some people in India gay? If they are, do you accept them like you accept non-gay people? We were talking about boys hugging boys and the males in our class thought it was very homosexual. I said if hugging a boy is gay then what about a girl hugging another girl?
Sincerely, Janea

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
I would like to ask you why your talking about different cultures and sexuality? Why is your letters so long? In India, why won't they let the people show their feelings about other people? Why is passion taboo over there? Over there, do you feel that it is unfair because I think it is unfair. By the way I'm a friend of Derion and she has convinced me to write to you because I have had to ask you questions. Do you think that the Kinsey scale offend the Indians? Do people in India hide that they are gay or is there gay people in India? I think that your letters are good and interesting. Sometimes they are confusing to me because in a way they don't make since to me.
Sincerely,
Tyrionne

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Holzberg,
I'm a sixth-grader at Alice Harte. I am a friend of Derion's. Ms. Durston is my teacher. I want to ask you a few questions about the sex and kinsey scale.
How do yo ufeel with a lot of weird people around you? Are all of those men around you homosexuals or are some of them? Please write back.
Respectfully Yours,
Cameron

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff Holzberg,
I am one of Ms. Rachel Dursotn's students. We read your article "How does the kensey scale apply in India?" I like your article. I was very informative on the differences from the U.S.A. and India. Like, how men hug each other in India. I think that is fine but, people around me don't. I don't understand how that's bad in other countries unless it's women. I think it's stupid that people can't accept others' traditions.
Yours truly,
Ethan

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
This letter was very interesting. It taught me a lot about sexuality. If I went to India, I will feel weird because the stuff they do down there in India, they don't do it in the United States. Some differences between India and the U.S. is that they don't kiss each other on the cheek in New Orleans.
From Furquan

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
I have a few questions for you. I am a student at Alice M. Harte. I am in Mrs. Durston's LPH class. Here is the quesitons. How is it to be in India? What do you mean by "hug"? Is it friendsly or like luvvy duvvy? If I went to India, I would be scared and nervous. The reason for that would be because I don't know anyone and miss my family. By the way, how long will you be there?
Sincerely,
Vance
PS - when you come back, will you bring me some rocks?

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
My name is Taj. You know, like the Taj Mahall. I go to Alice Harte in New Orleans, Louisiana. I am in 6th grade. I am a best friend of Derion. Anyway, I read your article about the Kinsey scale in India. My question is there are a lot of differences between the United States and India. What are some things you would change about India if you were a King or a governor of India? Would you change the way they dress, or keep them the same? Also, why?
Thank you !
Write back!!
Taj

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
My name is Alvin, a friend of Derion and student in New Orleans, LA. We read your story "How does the Kinsey scale apply in India?" The Indian boys, are they actually gay? Does the sexuality of men affect their social life?
Sincerely,
Alvin Walker

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,
How are you Jeff? I just read your article today and it's pretty cool. I also have some questions I want to ask you. I don't want to offend you but are you herosexual, bisexual, or homosexual?
Brandon

Anonymous said...

Dear Alice Harte students,
I'd like to address some of your questions and comments since there seems to be such an intense interest in the subject of sexuality in India. I'm a former Mabelle Arole Fellow, an international health program for medical students that Jeff is currently going through, which is sponsored by the Comprehensive Rural Health Project (jamkhed.org).
It's important to understand that India is an extremely diverse country with many languages, cultural and religious groups and customs within its borders. Therefore, I would caution you to avoid sweeping generalizations that usually don't reflect reality in the least. Especially significant is the contrast between cultural norms of the cities versus those in the rural areas, such as Jamkhed- where Jeff is living now.
Sexuality in India is a very complex matter. In the rural areas, sexual relationships between men and women are usually kept very private and are extremely taboo outside the confines of a marriage. The families will often go to great lengths to shelter their daughters once they begin menstruating and severe repercussions can arise if a hidden relationship is discovered, mostly for the girl. A child born to an unmarried woman is also thought to bring great shame and dishonor on the family. People in these areas don't openly acknowledge homosexuality nor do they seem preoccupied with regulating the behavior among same sex friendships. That is NOT to say that rural India has more homosexuals that in the U.S. Homosexuality seems to be consistent throughout the world despite societal attempts to sensor it from the public. What happens in India is that people are much less inhibited from expressing themselves in same sex friendships than in the U.S. but are very much pressured to adhere to strict social customs when interacting with the opposite sex. This does create a sometimes unhealthy level of sexual ignorance and potentially marital disharmony later on. But I think it's actually healthy that young people can at least develop their "emotional intelligence" with their same sex friends by holding hands, putting arms around each others' shoulders and being genuinely affectionate, without having sexual relationships with each other. That's not to say that this doesn't occur, but I would argue that it happens at about the same rate as it does anywhere else, including Louisiana. In this context we should also be asking ourselves why such displays of affection among the same sex invokes so much tension or discomfort in our own culture. It's important for us to examine the boundaries of our own cultural norms, where they originate from, and how they shape our attitudes about other people and whether these attitudes contribute to positive thinking or do they lead to hatred and bigotry.
Despite our many differences, we must never forget that people are basically the same anywhere you go and have certain basic needs no matter where they live or what language they speak.

Thanks for your interest in Jamkhed!

Jeff Holzberg said...

You all raise some very interesting questions and thanks Alex for addressing some of them. I very much agree with Alex when he says that what happens in India is that people are much less inhibited from expressing themselves in same sex friendships than in the U.S. but are very much pressured to adhere to strict social customs when interacting with the opposite sex. It is interesting to come to India and see such a different type of relationship between boys and girls, and between boys themselves. It is different – certainly I do not know whether it is better, worse or just as good. Most likely it is all of them in their own way. I have spoken with some of my Indian friends over here about this difference and we recognize that exactly for what it is – a difference. They are not offended by me telling them that the relationship between boys here is different than back home or that they are more physical here than in America. Frankly, they think that in America the relationships are weird. Why don’t you hold hands with your friends? Isn’t it weird that you have a good friend and you are not allowed to express your friendship in a more physical way? While it may be taboo in India to show homosexuality, is it not taboo in the U.S. to hold another man’s hand and not be considered homosexual? At first it was difficult to get used to but now I am comfortable holding a friends hand or giving them hugs. It is an expression of friendship and brotherhood and it allows me a way to show someone that they are my friend. It is a sign of friendship and is not usually done in a luvvy-duvvy way. I like it and think it can be a very positive thing.

You can think of it like Janae pointed out in his comment – that in America men are not allowed to express their feelings physically with other men but that women are allowed to do it. Women can hug each other and hold hands in public and nothing is thought about them being homosexual, and certainly not as much as if men would do it. Is that fair? Especially considering that in many other countries around the world besides India, men hold hands in public. Just like in Italy or many other Latin countries, like Derion said, where the tradition is to kiss cheeks – I think that is a great way to say hi and goodbye, rather than simply shaking hands.

I also wanted to make the point that, while the physicality between men may be good, it could have a tendency to become over-sexualized because boys going through puberty and maturity have no other outlet for their sexuality. Since relationships between boys and girls are so strained, often boys have to express this growing sexuality inside of themselves through their relationships with their male friends. Whether they are gay or not I do not know. I would say that perhaps they do not know either. But frankly, I do not care whether they are gay or not. They are all boys going through a difficult experience in growing up and they are all trying to figure out how to express it. I would imagine that some are certainly homosexual, while others are not. The fact that if you are homosexual, you are not allowed to be open about it and be accepted by your family and community is a great problem. Everyone should be accepted for who they are and who they love, and it should not be looked on as a disease or fault or curse. And I agree with Alex when he said [homosexuality] happens at about the same rate as it does anywhere else, including Louisiana. In many countries, including the U.S., it is still very difficult to express your sexuality openly and honestly.

Also, to address some of the questions I didn’t get to:
To Brandon. I am heterosexual but would definitely say I’m not all the way at one end of the Kinsey scale. Just like most people, I am more towards the middle.
To Taj. There are tons of differences between the U.S. and India and also many similarities. It is what makes this experience so interesting and why traveling is so great. In terms of if I was Prime Minister of India, I will answer that question by telling you what a local village health worker said to the prime minister when he asked her the same question around 25-30 years ago: that half of all government seats should go to women. In terms of dress, I think the Indian dress is fantastic, especially the saris that women wear. They are very beautiful.
To Vance. I will be here for another three months. I’ll try to bring you some rocks when I come back.
To Tyrionne. My letters are so long because what I’m writing about needs a little more space than one page to understand what I am trying to say. I try to keep them short, though.
To Gilberto. When I was coming to India, I knew I would try to write these journal posts to get my experience out in words to people back home. I’m glad I have been able to over these past 8 or so months. I have actually never been to Holland for longer than 1 day – all the people I know in Holland I have met in India.
To Isaiah, I very much enjoy being in this area. Whether I feel regular, that is a difficult question. I am not regular, considering I am from America, am of different skin, and speak a very different language. But in many ways I am regular and similar to them in values and pleasures. In India, people often greet each other by saying ‘Namaste’, and then they put their hands together like if praying.